Episode 5 with Emma Hudson - Allen Carr's Easyway Mindfulness Practitioner

In Episode 5 we we cover topics ranging from quitting addictions to finding inner peace. Our guests John C. Dicey and Emma Hudson are experts in their fields, and they share a wealth of knowledge and insight that will help you on your journey towards a healthier, more fulfilling life.

John answers questions from listeners including – 

·         Is it really possible to completely cure cocaine addiction with just one 6 hour seminar? 

·         What should I do if the alcohol book hasn’t stopped me from drinking? 

·         Can Allen Carr’s method help with procrastination?

Emma Hudson is the mindfulness practitioner at Allen Carr’s Easyway. Emma talks about how the Allen Carr method fits perfectly with the practice of mindfulness. 

If you’d like your questions answered drop us a line on pod@allencarr.com with whatever you’d like to say or any questions that you have.

Transcript

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Welcome and thanks for joining us today.

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I'm Colleen Dwyer.

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I'm a senior. Allen Carr’s
Easyway therapist.

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I'm the presenter of our series of online
video programs and your podcast host.

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I'm sure you're going to love
today's episode.

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Our guests are experts in their fields
and they share a wealth of knowledge

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and insight that will help you
on your journey towards a healthier,

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more fulfilling life.

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Firstly, I'm speaking with John Dicey
for our Addiction Central segment.

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John Dicey is the global CEO of Allen
Carr's Easy Way,

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and he's also coauthor of Allen Carr Books
and a senior

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Allen Carr's Easy Way therapist

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who has helped millions of addicts
to freedom over the last 25 years.

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John and I will be hearing from listeners
who have contacted us with questions,

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including
Is it really possible to completely cure

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cocaine addiction
with just one six hour seminar?

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What should I do if Allen Carr’s Alcohol
book hasn't stopped me from drinking.

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And we also have a question

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regarding the application of Allen Carr's 
method to procrastination.

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If you'd like your questions answered,
drop us a line on the pod at allencarr.com

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with whatever you'd like to say
or any questions that you have.

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We are also joined today by Emma Hudson,
who is the Mindfulness practitioner,

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at Allen Carr's Easyway
Emma talks about how the Allen Carr

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method fits perfectly
with the practice of mindfulness.

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Emma also talks about how our mindfulness
program came to be.

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We'll be happy to hear from you

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if you have any questions
about any addiction.

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And even if we don't actually feature
your question and a future

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episode of the podcast,
we will pass in reply to every question

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we receive, providing you
with details, advice and guidance.

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So don't forget,

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get in touch on pod@allencarr.com
and do also check out allencarr.com.

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Come and see the range of addictions

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and issues that Allen Carr's easy
way has now been applied to.

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So let's get started.

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Here I am talking with John Dicey.

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We want to hear your success stories

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and provide.

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Advice. Is

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I just want to show you
this advice is free of charge.

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We'll answer every question
we receive with no

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exceptions.

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So, John,
welcome back to Addiction Central.

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And we've had quite
a lot of emails through.

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And the first one is from Martin,
who's in the Caribbean.

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And Martin Martin said
that he's read the online call,

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but before he did it in 2009 for smoking

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and it was like a miracle he quit.

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He went from

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it doesn't say how many, but he quit
and he's never had a problem with it.

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He couldn't
believe that it was so effective.

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But he's saying the same techniques
and principles really also works.

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Cocaine addiction.

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And he's saying is all addicts are.

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I'm really skeptical

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about believing that anything can really
help me with this soul destroying habit.

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But then I also thought
that about smoking.

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So I'm really keen to know whether
what you do is tailored for other drugs.

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That's a great question. Was met.

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Where was Martin from?

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The Caribbean. That's it? Yeah.

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Yes, it's a good question.

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We covered some of this,
I think, in a previous episode

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in terms
of how how each addiction is handled.

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So very different.

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There are some key principles
to having cause easy life,

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but this is a good opportunity
to to look at those.

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Those are aspects.

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So where there's cocaine or cannabis
or prescription drugs or ketamine

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and any drug really anyone can mention

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we've helped people
with really incredible, really.

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But it's in my reply to

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to Martin, I said, if only it was so easy

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just to replace the word
smoking with the word, you know,

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snorting or whatever it might be.

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Even cocaine or or whatever drugs involved

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that would make life really easy.

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But it's not like that at all.

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So we've got the key
foundations of the easy way

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around that We have to having,

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you know, the specific tailor tailored

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examples, explanations,

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understanding
of how each particular addiction works.

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So no, I think some people are worried
about that.

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You know, I think they do think, oh,

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it's going to be exactly
the same as the smoking seminar,

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for example, you know, except with a word
used definitely isn't.

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As I say, if it was, it would have
would have been able to come up with

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the new the new elements of the method
a lot quicker.

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But certainly within
if we could use the term

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sort of other drugs,
if it makes sense, whether the illicit

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or prescription drugs or whatever
other drugs that don't include

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some of our main ones
smoking alcohol, sugar or whatever

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other drugs, the

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similarity in in the seminal
for those drugs.

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So the one to ones,
that's the main difference

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because what we found was
I would call for people

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don't want to necessarily share
within a group like that.

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They don't feel comfortable doing that.

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But also the quite the quite in-depth.

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So the therapist team sort of

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who work on
those has to be quite flexible.

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So someone will come in and say out,
you know,

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so which drug that you like help with?

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And they say, well, this for

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what I'm doing,
which which drug I'm taking.

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So that imagine the sort of a one size
fits all seminar doesn't really work

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in that kind of environment.

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So yeah, huge similarities
in those 1 to 1 seminar.

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So there's that kind of

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more than a skeleton of the seminar.

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There's a kind of a
really good structure on it

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on which we have the conversation
between the therapist

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and the client and actually
get to the bottom of exactly what it is

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that they need help with
and what have you.

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So yes, we can rest

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put Martin's mind at rest.

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You know,
it couldn't be more tailor made for the

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the other drugs seminar, should we say.

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Do you think other drugs
is a good expression?

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I always struggle with it
because it's sort of.

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Well, you say other drugs.

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What does it mean that nicotine is a drug
or alcohol isn't a drug or whatever,

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But I think that's the best way for us.
Describe it.

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I know what you mean. But.

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So no other drugs?

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I think his is understood.

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And Martin was saying about being,

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you know, really skeptical because it does
it does sound like quite incredible. The

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one seminar, one book or one

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video program can help
you get rid of an addiction to cocaine

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because cocaine is traditionally seen as
this, you know, hard hitting class a drug.

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But as Martin said,
he had the same kind of skepticism

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when he came along to his seminar
for smoking is thinking, well, okay,

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can do for nicotine,
but can it really do it for cocaine?

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But of course, can.

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I was doing a call
just last week with the company

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talking about our wellbeing at work
offering

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and talking about how we address

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issues like cocaine or nicotine or alcohol
or gambling and debt

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or all the 14 different titles
that we've got at the moment.

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One of the questions
the lady a lady had on the call was

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What if someone seeks your help
for cocaine?

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So they watched the online video program,
so cocaine.

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And she said, but they
they have you know, their problem

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is too big for your program to help

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because everyone sort of expects
there to be, you know, a rehab clinic.

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You know,
you have to go somewhere for six weeks.

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You you know,
this is how big the problem is.

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You need to throw a lot of money at it,

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a lot of time,
you know, a lot of willpower.

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And and I explained the what what count

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is not the length of time that you spend,
you know, studying the issue.

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It's the content of the of the program
that you're using to get the person off.

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So, you know,
she was incredulous that, you know, a

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six hour program could help you
to quit cocaine addiction initially.

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So, you know, what I'm saying is
Martin saying, like all addicts,

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he's skeptical,
but really everyone skeptical.

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An addict or non addict would be skeptical
that one day program

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could help you to quit.

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But it does you know, it's we're
very proud and happy to say that it works.

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Actually, and speaks to the brainwashing
factor, doesn't it?

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Whether it's to do with smoking or alcohol
or other drugs that that even

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people in Ireland used to make this
point himself frequently,

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even people who don't take the drug
you're making as well,

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even people don't take the drug
believe the brainwashing that I am.

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Part of that brainwashing
is that it's hard to stop, that you can't

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you can't just quit and get free,

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Randi, or spend the rest of your life
miserable or moping after the drug.

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So that is it's a great indication

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of the scale of the brain
brainwashing that so many people

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who've never taken the drugs
also also believe it to be impossible.

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Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

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So the other thing
that Martin was was saying,

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he said he did
his smoking seminar in person.

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He doesn't live in England
like he lives in the Caribbean.

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So he's worried that a Zoom session
won't be as effective

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as being there in person.

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So do you have any numbers
as to the success rate for online

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versus in-person?

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I love the way you say Caribbean.

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I can't say about those people in America.

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At first I said

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it's Martin from the Caribbean,
but then you question me.

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You said, Where is he from?

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So maybe I have pronounced it wrong.

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So I switched it.

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How do you say aluminum?

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Aluminum alone or aluminum?

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Oh, yeah. Like I don't get.

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Why do I digress?

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No, it's another great question,
really, isn't it?

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And this comes up quite frequently,
post-COVID and during COVID,

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lots of lots of companies,
lots of service providers, you know,

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worked really hard
switching their operations sort of online.

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And we were very fortunate in
that we'd already done that.

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So come back along
while we were presenting

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seminars online life

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all about when we started five years ago,
something like that, maybe six years ago.

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So it really we've got lots of data on it
with lots of experience on it. And,

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and it was very, very simple

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for us to introduce it into territories
where we didn't yet do it.

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So we started off in the USA,
so we had our main seminars

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in the main centers in New York and

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Los Angeles,
really Toronto, North America and Canada.

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And we got stuck on that
for quite a long time.

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And overnight by putting them putting them
live and online,

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you know, I think, you know,

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every city, every state, coast to coast,
which was just extraordinary, really.

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And we were so careful doing that.

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I think some providers doing it

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sort of in the heat of the COVID crisis,
we made lots of mistakes.

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But because we you know, we had five,
six years ago, what I wanted to do

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desperately was to reproduce
exactly the vibe of being in the room

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as long as we always had to.

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So it was important.

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And it is easy now
with with platforms like this.

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But going back six
or seven years, it wasn't much

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the tech was it wasn't
really anywhere near like it was today.

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We use some different, mostly
different platforms over a period of time.

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So it doesn't seem that sort of revolution
right now.

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But but to say, well,
I want the therapies facilitated

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to be able to see all the clients
or all the clients to be able

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to see the therapist facilitator,
and it's a two way,

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you know, conversation between clients
and the therapist facilitator.

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It was quite a tool,
quite a challenge back then,

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but we succeeded with it
and we worked really hard.

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It really is no different.

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We offer the same.

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It's exactly the same content,
exactly the same therapies,

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exactly the same money back guarantee.

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There's no that is no difference with it.

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So we can reassure everybody of that.

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Over many, many years.

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The the effectiveness,
the success rate is equal.

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There's no difference, which is brilliant.

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You know, it's reassuring for people.

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Means that Martin doesn't have to fly
from the Caribbean to London or

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or or New York
or somewhere to to to to get his session.

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That also the question
of what of I don't know.

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Absolutely.

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That's both the points that Martin had.

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And, you know,
I hope he finds that reassuring.

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So let's call
the next email that we received in

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is from Carlos in Atlanta,

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USA, if I pronounce that right.

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And he says, Can.

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I just say you ran Caribbean
perfectly Well,

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I was just joking, really,
because, you know, there's two

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accepted pronunciations in there
and I can't do the flashy one that you do.

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Caribbean.

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So yeah.

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Carlos from Atlanta says,
I desperately need to stop drinking.

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But what do you do
when you've listened to the book

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three times and the urge to drink
still exists?

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He says, I feel an immense grief

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when I think about not drinking,
and I'm really scared.

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And now it's starting to hurt my marriage.

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Yeah, it's tough
because you can really sense

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qualities, angst and, you know, panic.

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Really? Yeah.

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I feel I really feel for Carlos, and
I think it's a such a well-trodden path.

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People

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I think
most people have heard of the book,

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less people have heard of the seminars
and very few people

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realize that the seminars
or the original version of the method,

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it wasn't the book
that was told it a seminar.

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The original version that it was

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was the seminar
the most effective version of the method.

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It has always been
and will always be seminal

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just because of its nature is
is interactive.

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It takes into account everybody's
understanding, everybody's ability

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to think.

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You're able to sort of ask questions and

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seek clarification.

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There is
there really is no sort of comparison.

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So people who who fail to quit
with a book, whether it's alcohol or sugar

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or smoking or vaping or whatever
it might be, a book for each program,

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for each of those course,
they beat themselves up.

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They feel really bad about themselves.

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And, you know, my heart goes out to them
because, well,

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the method didn't click for you and

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it's not your fault.

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It's just one of those things.

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I'm very lucky in a way

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that I can completely empathize
because the book didn't click for me

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when I stopped smoking.

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I was 80 and a smoker and like our guest,

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Carlos, everything in the book
resonated with me.

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It all kind of made sense to me
and I thought I understood it.

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But as I just carried on smoking,
I thought, you know,

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it didn't even nearly quit.

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And I was a terrible, terrible,

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terribly bad at quitting

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anything, just sort of lost

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a few hours, really.

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And it wasn't until I heard about the

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the Seminoles,
I thought, okay, give them a go.

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And that's
when I found out what I Oh, this is.

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This is it.

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This is not the book is the kind of a
if you can't get to a seminar, go for it.

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If this this brings the method to you.

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So I'm not science college
so you've got to come to a seminar

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that the book has work for you
three times you haven't, you know, now

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you need to go to a seminar
or sign up for the online video program.

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I've never said that to
anybody is one of those things.

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You know, you've got to take it.

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Bear in mind about can people afford it?

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I mean, even with the the stop
smoking seminars, I think within three

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or four weeks of stopping smoking,
you've saved

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you saved the sea
anyway, that you pay for it.

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And with a money back guarantee
you can't lose.

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But I think I always have to assume
the person I'm giving advice to

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doesn't have any money they have got.

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They've got no this is their
this is their shop.

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I've reached out to us for help.

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So what always do we get?

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I don't know how many we get every week.

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That is hundreds of requests for help
via social media and what have you.

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I assume in our replies
they haven't got any money

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to spend on anything else
and therefore sort of giving them the best

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possible advice you can in the event
that they want to reread

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the book again, this time with success.

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Now I can not say if you can afford it.

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This is this is the way you should go.

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This is the most natural,

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an obvious thing for you to do.

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And ultimately it does
get to that point eventually.

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Sometimes if we keep reading book again
and again and again and again, you know,

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something's got to change for them
to have success.

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And there are people who who've read
the book ten times and then succeeded

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and they cited a post they say it's called
I'll read It Again, read it again,

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really concentrate on it.

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Don't stop reading until you stop.

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But it will, you know, even
you have to read it 20 times.

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Carry on. And

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that would have

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broke my heart
if I'd been given that advice

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when I sell the book
because I think, well,

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how many more times
I will go to read it and keep keep going.

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So I think the people offered advice,
really.

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They're very well intentioned, offering
that advice, but it's the wrong advice.

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You know, the number one advice for
anybody is read the book without success,

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whether it's once, twice, three times,
ten times, get in touch with us.

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We give some

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free of charge advice
based on what you tell us.

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We got a questionnaire about,
you know, your experiences, what I call

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the method, and

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and take it, take it from there.

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Whether you want to read the book again,
using that advice

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or whether you're able to, then, you know,
think about it as I would

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I want to
I want to maximize my chances of success.

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I use the online video program
or Sign up for Life seminar

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and take it from there.

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So Carlos, I think afforded to our reply
was I think about three pages was

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how long my reply was

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to Carlos. But

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it take it takes into account

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everything that the person tells us

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and has them kind of okay this,
this guy about this

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same objective in a different way

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whether that's for the book
or the online video program

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or the life seminar, they're all
so the question, the perfect thing.

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I think that was great.

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I mean, listening to you, it's,
you know, like it's reassuring

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when you say that you've

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because you get so many of

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these kind of communications
and to the to the head office,

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people seeking,
you know, support in some form or other,

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to hear you say that, you know,
you have to assume

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that someone doesn't have any money
so that you because really your your well,

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my instant reaction would be
you've got to do the seminar.

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What are you messing about for?

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This stuff is critical to your,
you know, enjoyment of life and your

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quality of life and your length of life.

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You know, this is this is not about buying
a new pair of trainers.

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This is, you know, real big stuff.

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So I'd have to keep a lid on that,
you know, to keep in mind

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that not it's not an option
for some people at that moment in time.

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And then you've got the

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the additional support or guidance,
you know, by filling in the forms online.

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So says good. Thank you.

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Hopefully that helps you call us back

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from Connecticut in the USA.

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Oh Beth said she used the anecdote
easy way to lose weight book

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and she said she listened to the podcast.

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She enjoyed it, but she had a sound issue
and said the intern, The outro music

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was really like big thumping bass
and it startled her.

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I said she had the volume at the right
level for us to hear our voices,

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but then the music just like
came in quite unexpectedly.

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So yeah, apologies for that.

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Beth That's terrible.

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So we'll

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we'll make adjustments on that level
so that everything's a bit more normalized

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because that must have been a bit
annoying.

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We have Henry, who is from California
in the United States,

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and Henry is saying,
I've quit digital addiction.

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My thanks to the easy way
method and I am very grateful

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for the improvements in my life
that that has brought.

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One of the other things
I've always struggled with is laziness.

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There are so many things I know I should
do, and in fact I want to do them

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either out of like personal interest
or sense responsibility,

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but somehow feels impossible
to start doing them.

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It's hard to put my finger on
exactly what the feeling is, but there is

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this intense mental resistance
whenever I even think about those things.

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And I was wondering if the easy method
has a solution for overcoming that issue,

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I'd appreciate any help you can provide.

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Yeah, what we did, we did
We did ask people to.

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It doesn't they could ask for help

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with the stuff we done that offer
help with, if that makes sense.

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Because we've always got something to say
about real any behavior issue really,

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or addiction and heavy sort of.

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It sounds like you either
read the smartphone thumb phone book

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or used the

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online video program for it

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to what we've particularly with
this issue was just technology.

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The digital addiction.

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As we said, we didn't specify which which
whether it was a book or the video.

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We had a book.

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The book no,
nobody got a book sort of cover the same

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the same issues

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mainly

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started only fun.

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Social media, social networking,

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you know, message messenger groups,
that kind of thing.

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Gaming we touched on in there as well.

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It's great that it worked for you, Harry.

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It's great to hear

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the the issue
you were talking about there.

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It is really interesting.

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And I did Again,
you pretty got my reply there to Henry

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I think was a page and a half, two pages
long or something with we're thinking

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about doing a program on this where people
just don't get around to doing stuff.

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I put stuff off.

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Procrastination and. Exactly.

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And that seems to be a 21st century thing
that's getting worse and worse.

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So I think we will do something on that
at some point in the future.

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And even when we do, it will include stuff

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like that, which

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I'll mention to Henry, which is, okay,
well you're aware you've got a problem.

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You've obviously tried to, to,
to come up with a solution

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to not be so lazy
or whatever else and, and failed.

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So maybe start looking at looking at it
from a different point of view.

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Maybe look at your diet,

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what you're eating.

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We know for a fact that when people start,
it's made up of

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lots of starchy
carbs, processed carbs, refined sugar.

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It has the image of giving you energy,
but it does the complete opposite.

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It, you know, actually become
quite sluggish, unmotivated,

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less mobile, less active generally.

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That's the way it goes.

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So have a look at that.

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Henry Even if you resistant to that,
I mean, I think it has nothing to do

00:24:50:21 - 00:24:55:00
with what I am you know, applied to,
which is look at that.

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If your diet is made up
mainly of of stuff like bread,

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pasta, pizza, lots of rice,

00:25:02:11 - 00:25:03:23
sugar, that kind of

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pastry kind of stuff, flour,
it might be worth just looking into that.

00:25:07:16 - 00:25:12:02
It's a good sugar, bad sugar book
and online video program and life seminar

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are actually rocking in the mind, but
they're really just helping so many people

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and it's not just people
who are suffering with type two diabetes

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and actually their blood sugars
go back to normal within a few days

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of just changing what they're eating.

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People find it absolutely extraordinary.

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When we created the program, this was this

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you know, we were criticized for it
because it

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just seemed sort of completely radical

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to go against the grain of anybody,
anything anybody else was saying.

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But I was genuinely accepted
that if you cut

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refined sugar,
starchy carbs, processed carbs,

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etc.,

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out of
your diet, then you get rid of type two.

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So you, you know,
almost overnight stays away

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as long as you stay off those foods
and lose your sense of the term.

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And with that, it's not just the change
in body shape, the weight loss.

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The excuse is the mental acuity.

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It's the motivation,
the energy just is incomparable.

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So I have to think about that.

00:26:23:13 - 00:26:26:13
Henry, If it's not that, you know, if you

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have great eat a great healthy diet

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low in those ingredients.

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Think about are you heavily into caffeine.

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He used a lot of stimulants
because, again,

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the image is not this keeps you
as if he gives you wings, shall we say.

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According to a Red Bull,
it does a the opposite,

00:26:48:06 - 00:26:51:08
of course, it
gradually drags you lower and lower

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saps your energy and your motivation
and how quickly you are

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heavily involved in the program,
The program for caffeine addiction.

00:27:01:16 - 00:27:03:07
And it was one of those old ones.

00:27:03:07 - 00:27:07:06
You know, it's sort of we wanted to do it
because lots of people expressed

00:27:08:07 - 00:27:11:10
concern with that caffeine consumption.

00:27:11:10 - 00:27:13:01
It's helped a lot of a lot of people.

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This is a really great thing to do.

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Of course, heavy fuel
not only add up, you know,

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refined, processed carbs, refined sugar,
heavy diet

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and we caffeine consumer,

00:27:26:07 - 00:27:28:19
then we have both solutions there.

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But that you know that these are the
the traits most common with people

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who have an issue with that wish
and we talked about procrastination

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or apparent laziness or lack of motivation
lack of sort of energy.

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And if you have a few other things
beside it could be alcohol.

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You know, you got to stop
drinking, stop smoking, stop everything.

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But if there is an issue in your life
that's that's causing

00:27:53:16 - 00:27:56:18
you concern, it does sound like
Henry is concerned about it.

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They look at these various aspects
and just check check those out.

00:28:01:23 - 00:28:03:07
I don't know anything else to add to that.

00:28:03:07 - 00:28:07:01
Clean are probably a lot more than that
and the replies and or even.

00:28:07:03 - 00:28:08:11
Did you call.

00:28:08:11 - 00:28:09:20
Yeah so you talking

00:28:09:20 - 00:28:14:09
a lot about maybe sleep you know it's just
I suppose looking at all the different

00:28:15:17 - 00:28:17:02
aspects of your life.

00:28:17:02 - 00:28:20:08
It could in a little way,
you know, each of them

00:28:20:08 - 00:28:24:08
have a detrimental effect on your energy
and it's, it's

00:28:24:14 - 00:28:29:03
quite understandable to not immediately
recognize that these things

00:28:29:03 - 00:28:34:19
can have such a bearing on our motivation
and laziness and, you know, energy levels

00:28:34:21 - 00:28:38:08
that you just accept
where you're at as being normal

00:28:38:21 - 00:28:45:04
and you start to kind of take on board
these traits as being inherent in you.

00:28:45:05 - 00:28:48:07
You know, why am I so lazy
or why have I got this intense

00:28:48:07 - 00:28:51:07
mental resistance to doing things
I know I need to do and I want to do?

00:28:51:16 - 00:28:53:07
There's something wrong with me.

00:28:53:07 - 00:28:58:11
But actually the first point of call
is to look at those other aspects

00:28:58:20 - 00:29:01:05
smoking, sleeping, drinking,

00:29:01:14 - 00:29:05:02
food intake,
you know, and it might be, might not,

00:29:05:04 - 00:29:09:19
you know, in your case might not be,
but it might be if you just clear up these

00:29:10:03 - 00:29:12:18
these concerns that actually

00:29:12:24 - 00:29:16:13
you got way more energy,
you're much more engaged in life,

00:29:16:13 - 00:29:21:18
You lose this kind of idleness that you,
you think is part of your character.

00:29:22:00 - 00:29:27:18
And it's actually the full of these these
other behaviors or, you know, addictions.

00:29:27:18 - 00:29:31:11
So that that was really interesting to me
to read that response

00:29:31:16 - 00:29:35:24
because I thought it's so true
and I'm guilty of it, you know, myself

00:29:35:24 - 00:29:39:21
that sometimes I'm feeling a bit,
you know, down or a bit low.

00:29:39:21 - 00:29:45:20
I start looking for an obvious single
explanation for why

00:29:46:00 - 00:29:49:16
when actually it might be a combination
of a whole load of different things.

00:29:49:16 - 00:29:53:14
You know, maybe I haven't been as careful
as I should have been about my my sleep.

00:29:53:14 - 00:29:54:16
Maybe, you know,

00:29:54:16 - 00:29:58:18
I didn't handle that bit of stress
in the most efficient or the best way.

00:29:58:18 - 00:30:00:20
Or maybe, you know, obviously

00:30:00:20 - 00:30:04:23
smoking and drinking
are no longer a part of that equation.

00:30:04:23 - 00:30:06:12
Thankfully.

00:30:06:12 - 00:30:10:09
But yeah, if you look at the
maybe less obvious causes that you might

00:30:10:09 - 00:30:13:09
be surprised that actually everything's
all right with you.

00:30:13:15 - 00:30:17:19
It was just those other
those other behaviors that were a problem.

00:30:18:00 - 00:30:18:12
Absolutely.

00:30:18:12 - 00:30:22:14
I think is really important for Henry
and people like Henry

00:30:22:14 - 00:30:25:16
and Henry's position to take on board
what you're saying.

00:30:25:17 - 00:30:28:02
So important that you think it's a

00:30:29:21 - 00:30:30:15
shortcoming in

00:30:30:15 - 00:30:36:06
yourself when it's nothing of the sort,
you know, Is this just whatever life

00:30:36:06 - 00:30:39:16
is, Chuck, to you, whatever, you know, you

00:30:39:24 - 00:30:44:05
the lifestyle you seem to have taken on.

00:30:44:05 - 00:30:48:00
But I've pretty much always been lured
into one way or the other.

00:30:48:06 - 00:30:50:04
I just am fine, fine tuning on.

00:30:50:04 - 00:30:52:16
That can make a huge difference.

00:30:53:13 - 00:30:55:03
Absolutely perfect.

00:30:55:03 - 00:30:57:12
Thank you so much, John. Is that right?

00:30:57:12 - 00:30:59:05
That is a wrap.

00:30:59:05 - 00:31:00:02
We have done it.

00:31:00:02 - 00:31:02:10
So that's for another episode.

00:31:02:19 - 00:31:06:19
And so, you know, thanks to everyone
who's sent their questions in

00:31:06:19 - 00:31:10:02
and if anyone wants to have
their questions answered, it's pod

00:31:10:21 - 00:31:15:01
Alan Carr dot com P.O.D.,
Alan Carr dot com.

00:31:15:21 - 00:31:19:21
And yeah, thanks very much John,
for your time and we'll see you next time.

00:31:20:02 - 00:31:28:08
Pleasure.

00:31:30:03 - 00:31:32:01
Hi, I'm Anna Hutson.

00:31:32:01 - 00:31:33:07
I'm a Sydney therapist.

00:31:33:07 - 00:31:39:03
An easy way to stop smoking
and I also am a meditation my teacher.

00:31:39:11 - 00:31:41:15
So I teach and I have taught meditation

00:31:43:01 - 00:31:46:08
to adults and children for about 11 years,

00:31:46:17 - 00:31:50:23
but I helped bring it into Allen
an easy way by her.

00:31:51:13 - 00:31:55:09
I help with the book and course
he's writing my first book, so I helped

00:31:55:09 - 00:32:01:12
set that to write some of the meditations
in that and guide the editors.

00:32:02:02 - 00:32:03:13
And then I brought it online.

00:32:03:13 - 00:32:04:20
And because these were eight week

00:32:04:20 - 00:32:08:23
courses in mindfulness
around about lockdown about 2020.

00:32:09:04 - 00:32:11:23
So how did you come to be working on
Causes

00:32:12:03 - 00:32:15:12
I anyway,
what was your introduction to the Daily?

00:32:15:13 - 00:32:19:22
Okay, so I stopped smoking in October 99.

00:32:20:16 - 00:32:26:10
So I, I read the book and continue
to smoke and listen to the audiotapes.

00:32:26:10 - 00:32:31:11
You know, watch
the video still smoked, but then

00:32:33:02 - 00:32:35:10
decide to come on to a session.

00:32:35:16 - 00:32:38:13
And so came on to a session
and just got it.

00:32:38:16 - 00:32:41:07
You know, very happy non smoker
and it was.

00:32:41:07 - 00:32:42:11
From there.

00:32:42:11 - 00:32:46:15
The I just was so blown away by this
that I just saw,

00:32:46:15 - 00:32:48:00
why don't I become a therapist?

00:32:48:00 - 00:32:51:10
And I can actually remember the time
I was sitting in a pub with my husband

00:32:51:18 - 00:32:54:07
and I remember the time I said to him,

00:32:54:07 - 00:32:57:01
what I want to do, I want to
I want to work, and how's he doing?

00:32:57:02 - 00:32:58:23
And he said, Go for it is what I did.

00:32:58:23 - 00:33:02:19
What kind of a smoker were you and
what was it that you think just clicked?

00:33:03:03 - 00:33:06:14
So I was a quite heavy smoker,
so I was about 40 or 50 a day smoker.

00:33:06:18 - 00:33:08:24
So what was it in the in the seminar?

00:33:08:24 - 00:33:12:06
I think it was just a realization
that it does absolutely nothing.

00:33:12:15 - 00:33:16:02
And I just suddenly thought, you know,
I'm just fed up of doing something

00:33:16:06 - 00:33:19:24
that does absolutely nothing
and I'm just not going to do that anymore.

00:33:20:00 - 00:33:23:23
And it was it was that the kind of
penny dropped then that was it.

00:33:24:09 - 00:33:27:15
So that would have been covered in
the book and the video that you watched.

00:33:27:15 - 00:33:30:20
So why did you think what you was
different when you came to a seminar?

00:33:30:20 - 00:33:33:12
What made you have that penny
dropping moment?

00:33:33:13 - 00:33:34:17
I think there was a point

00:33:34:17 - 00:33:37:24
where I just wasn't willing to let go
of the belief that there that there

00:33:37:24 - 00:33:41:00
was absolutely no point to it
because I started saying, Well, hang on,

00:33:41:08 - 00:33:45:06
if I actually accept that there's no point
to it, then I've been a bit of an idiot.

00:33:45:10 - 00:33:49:05
I've been a bit of an idiot
for the past 23 or 25 years,

00:33:50:14 - 00:33:52:14
you know,
and I just wasn't willing to let that go.

00:33:52:14 - 00:33:55:01
So I was always trying
to find all Yeah, but, but you know,

00:33:55:02 - 00:33:57:23
but there's got to be something in it
or else I wouldn't have done it, you know?

00:33:57:23 - 00:33:59:19
And on the seminar it became apparent

00:33:59:19 - 00:34:04:05
that there is absolutely no benefit to it
whatsoever, no point to it.

00:34:04:05 - 00:34:07:20
And when I was at certainly willing
to accept that, that's when that's

00:34:07:20 - 00:34:10:23
when it just became clear
that I would never smoke again.

00:34:11:02 - 00:34:11:20
Yeah.

00:34:11:20 - 00:34:12:09
Yeah. It was.

00:34:12:09 - 00:34:13:11
That was a letting go,

00:34:13:11 - 00:34:15:15
letting go of the belief
that there was ever a benefit to it.

00:34:15:21 - 00:34:20:15
I also remember picking up the Alan
Carr was quite clear that we were never

00:34:20:15 - 00:34:23:15
to kind of look back on our past
and think that we were stupid as smokers.

00:34:23:15 - 00:34:25:24
It was always and, maybe this was it,
maybe it was a be

00:34:25:24 - 00:34:28:10
clever
enough to know you will never smoke again.

00:34:28:16 - 00:34:30:17
I felt like, Oh yeah, I can do that.

00:34:30:22 - 00:34:33:06
Yeah, I've been clever enough
to never smoke again.

00:34:33:06 - 00:34:34:14
I like that that.

00:34:34:14 - 00:34:36:18
That fitted with me nicely. Yeah.

00:34:37:06 - 00:34:37:14
Yeah.

00:34:37:14 - 00:34:39:12
It's interesting
you talking about letting go,

00:34:39:12 - 00:34:43:07
because that leads us into the myth
on this program that you run.

00:34:43:15 - 00:34:45:16
Can you tell us
about how that all came about?

00:34:45:16 - 00:34:51:14
I know as I started to kind of teach yoga
and I started to teach mindfulness and

00:34:51:21 - 00:34:56:02
and really got a good understanding
of mindfulness, you know, and I realized

00:34:56:02 - 00:34:59:15
actually mindfulness is just paying
attention, is paying attention

00:35:00:11 - 00:35:03:12
generally to habitual
destructive behavior.

00:35:03:12 - 00:35:07:15
And so, you know, I wasn't learning
all about mindfulness, but still,

00:35:07:20 - 00:35:11:00
you know, working through the easy way
and delivering the seminars.

00:35:11:00 - 00:35:14:22
And it just became apparent as I was doing
seminars, actually.

00:35:14:22 - 00:35:19:19
Alan Carr, he was just being mindful
and he was just bringing our attention

00:35:19:19 - 00:35:21:23
to what we are doing
and then just breaking it down

00:35:22:02 - 00:35:25:04
and breaking down the myths
and the illusions, you know?

00:35:25:04 - 00:35:28:10
And I said, Well,
maybe we could bring it into Alan Carr.

00:35:28:10 - 00:35:32:08
And then it was when it was suggested
that the book was going to be written.

00:35:32:08 - 00:35:33:19
Allen called His Way to Mindfulness.

00:35:35:01 - 00:35:37:17
John Deasy approached me and said, Would I

00:35:37:17 - 00:35:40:18
would I help with the
with the writing of it?

00:35:41:13 - 00:35:45:12
Because I was actually,
you know, a teacher and had the experience

00:35:45:12 - 00:35:46:18
of a meditation practice.

00:35:46:18 - 00:35:48:14
And I was absolutely delighted.

00:35:48:14 - 00:35:51:01
Then it was interesting
because I went to uni, I went to Bangor

00:35:51:01 - 00:35:55:18
Uni and I studied for three years
the science behind mindfulness.

00:35:55:18 - 00:35:59:22
So I did a masters of science
in mindfulness and spent some glorious

00:36:00:08 - 00:36:03:24
time up in Bangor
Uni in Wales with researchers,

00:36:03:24 - 00:36:07:19
you know, and really looking
at how the brain changes, you know,

00:36:07:20 - 00:36:10:06
when you are, when you are putting
my science practice in place.

00:36:10:08 - 00:36:14:16
And so the first part of lockdown,
I had done my thesis,

00:36:14:16 - 00:36:16:24
I'd been writing a thesis
about self-compassion

00:36:16:24 - 00:36:19:17
and emotions practice
and that kind of that got submitted.

00:36:20:00 - 00:36:22:16
I thought, well,
why don't we write an eight week course?

00:36:23:03 - 00:36:26:16
And like all things I've done in the book,
and that seems to be doing well.

00:36:26:21 - 00:36:29:07
So I have shown and said,
You know what you think?

00:36:29:07 - 00:36:31:08
And he said, Yeah, can you write a manual?

00:36:31:08 - 00:36:34:10
So I write the manual,
kind of the second part of lockdown,

00:36:34:23 - 00:36:38:14
so that the manual
eight week manual is it's, it

00:36:39:18 - 00:36:40:09
is quite a bit

00:36:40:09 - 00:36:44:00
Zen because I'm trained by Zen master
and continue that training.

00:36:44:15 - 00:36:47:16
There's a big dollop of neuroscience.

00:36:47:16 - 00:36:51:19
That's the stuff that I studied at uni,
but a massive, big dollop of Alan Carr.

00:36:51:19 - 00:36:56:19
So I've married two things
I am massively passionate about.

00:36:56:23 - 00:36:59:21
One is Alan Carr
and the other is mindfulness.

00:36:59:21 - 00:37:02:19
And to bring them together
is an absolute joy.

00:37:03:02 - 00:37:05:07
It's an absolute joy
to be able to bring that

00:37:06:13 - 00:37:07:01
together.

00:37:07:01 - 00:37:07:18
Yeah, I'm

00:37:07:18 - 00:37:08:08
so happy

00:37:08:08 - 00:37:12:05
to see when we launched the Mindfulness
eight week course to the corporate market

00:37:12:13 - 00:37:16:02
how well it was utilized
and how how many employees took it up.

00:37:16:12 - 00:37:19:10
I think in the corporate world,

00:37:19:10 - 00:37:21:17
yeah, there's such a big need for it.

00:37:21:17 - 00:37:24:21
There's such a big need for it
that your employees will

00:37:25:11 - 00:37:27:05
just communicate better.

00:37:27:05 - 00:37:29:21
If, if they've got a michael of practice
in place,

00:37:30:03 - 00:37:32:20
they will just know
when to just step back, when to pause,

00:37:33:08 - 00:37:38:02
when to take a breath, to not just to sort
of be able to regulate their emotions.

00:37:38:02 - 00:37:40:15
I mean, it's a big thing in a boardroom,
you know,

00:37:40:17 - 00:37:43:02
and I've heard it in some boardrooms now,

00:37:43:03 - 00:37:45:06
if that when they're about
to make a decision

00:37:45:06 - 00:37:48:24
that some companies that were sick
and it's just let's just have two minute

00:37:49:02 - 00:37:52:20
breathing space, a three minute
breathing space before we vote on this.

00:37:53:04 - 00:37:55:24
And it's just giving up everybody
the opportunity, just let everything

00:37:55:24 - 00:38:00:07
settle and just to see things clearly
that are now making the right decision.

00:38:00:13 - 00:38:03:17
And I think it's so valuable to say that,
you know, you.

00:38:03:24 - 00:38:05:11
Eat you quit smoking,

00:38:05:11 - 00:38:08:01
didn't you, with Alan Carr's
easy way, Did you create anything else?

00:38:08:13 - 00:38:10:12
Yes. So I stopped drinking.

00:38:11:12 - 00:38:13:02
That was amazing.

00:38:13:08 - 00:38:14:11
2007.

00:38:14:11 - 00:38:15:14
I went into that session.

00:38:15:14 - 00:38:17:24
Absolutely. Just I was so open to it.

00:38:18:06 - 00:38:22:16
And by lunchtime I phoned up my husband
and said, I will never drink again.

00:38:23:02 - 00:38:25:05
And he said, He's really shy.

00:38:25:05 - 00:38:27:15
I said, Yeah, absolutely,
yeah, I'll never drink again.

00:38:27:15 - 00:38:29:23
And I remember
it was around about my birthday

00:38:29:23 - 00:38:32:20
and we went out that evening
and I remember the first time

00:38:33:03 - 00:38:36:21
just around the family table
and not drinking and I just loved it.

00:38:37:05 - 00:38:39:08
It was referred to as No more diet.

00:38:39:08 - 00:38:41:05
I don't know what it would be.

00:38:41:05 - 00:38:43:21
Would you refer to
now that I went on that session

00:38:43:21 - 00:38:47:08
and I stopped eating meat,
then that's when I stopped eating meat.

00:38:47:16 - 00:38:49:22
And then they good sugar, bad sugar.

00:38:49:22 - 00:38:52:23
I read that and that completely changed
my relationship to sugar.

00:38:53:10 - 00:38:57:00
I'm not saying I'm sugar free,
but it's changed my relationship to it.

00:38:57:06 - 00:38:59:06
This kind of thing. Yeah.

00:38:59:06 - 00:39:00:03
That's a lot of change.

00:39:00:03 - 00:39:02:11
And of course, easy was brought into
your life, isn't it?

00:39:02:11 - 00:39:04:21
Yeah. Oh, he has been.

00:39:04:21 - 00:39:05:19
He is my.

00:39:05:19 - 00:39:06:00
Yeah.

00:39:06:00 - 00:39:10:19
My life changed when,
when I stopped smoking massively

00:39:10:19 - 00:39:14:10
and I went I only take two classes
for the mindfulness course.

00:39:14:10 - 00:39:16:04
I do three takes the classes

00:39:16:04 - 00:39:19:19
a couple of hours and I give a good
introduction of my background.

00:39:19:21 - 00:39:21:10
How have I got to be seated here?

00:39:21:10 - 00:39:23:20
You know, and I make a big point.

00:39:23:21 - 00:39:25:20
It was, you know, when I when I

00:39:27:15 - 00:39:28:21
stopped smoking using Alan

00:39:28:21 - 00:39:31:23
Carr,
that was when my life changed my hope.

00:39:31:23 - 00:39:35:12
My life just went in a completely
different direction and fabulous.

00:39:35:19 - 00:39:38:06
I mean, it was he gave me so much as well.

00:39:38:06 - 00:39:40:18
Okay, well, hold on a second if I had to.

00:39:41:00 - 00:39:44:08
But heard you talking
when I was still smoking and drinking

00:39:44:09 - 00:39:46:23
because, you know, back
then I treated the lead.

00:39:46:23 - 00:39:50:23
The those are the things
that were essential to a happy existence.

00:39:51:05 - 00:39:53:12
If I'd have had you talking back
then, I'd have thought, Well,

00:39:53:13 - 00:39:54:20
what would you do then?

00:39:54:20 - 00:39:56:13
What do you do for fun?

00:39:56:13 - 00:40:00:07
You don't smoke, you don't drink,
you don't eat meat or sugar.

00:40:00:17 - 00:40:02:09
What do you do?

00:40:02:09 - 00:40:03:15
I know it's on paper.

00:40:03:15 - 00:40:05:10
It just looks so boring, doesn't it?

00:40:05:10 - 00:40:07:17
We just look so boring.

00:40:07:17 - 00:40:09:22
So, yeah,
I mean, I just do things that just

00:40:10:14 - 00:40:14:05
genuinely give me a natural high,
you know?

00:40:14:05 - 00:40:17:10
You just don't,
you know, go to dance classes.

00:40:17:17 - 00:40:18:13
I like to read.

00:40:18:13 - 00:40:21:08
And, you know,
I've just got passion for poetry.

00:40:21:08 - 00:40:23:02
I've just got a passion for drawing.

00:40:24:01 - 00:40:25:18
But it's it's a poem.

00:40:25:18 - 00:40:29:15
My passions and the stuff that I get,
it's a genuine pleasure from which

00:40:29:16 - 00:40:32:04
we actually look at that in the eight week
course.

00:40:32:08 - 00:40:33:12
It's actually classic tonight.

00:40:33:12 - 00:40:36:24
And we look at this tonight
because sometimes can lose our way

00:40:36:24 - 00:40:40:10
just generally, just as we mature,
we just lose our way a little bit with

00:40:40:10 - 00:40:41:18
what does give us a genuine pleasure.

00:40:41:18 - 00:40:45:24
We look at things that nourish us,
the things that depletes, know

00:40:46:06 - 00:40:49:09
we actually get lucky
and the person is only classed

00:40:49:09 - 00:40:53:09
as you write it down, what nourishes you,
you know, even stuff

00:40:53:09 - 00:40:56:04
that you don't do
what you know nourishes you.

00:40:56:10 - 00:40:59:12
And we get them to look at the stuff
that nourishes them and say, okay,

00:40:59:16 - 00:41:03:12
put that up on your fridge
and do more of that and actually work it

00:41:03:12 - 00:41:07:19
into your diary that you know, Wednesday
evenings I'm going to go dancing.

00:41:07:19 - 00:41:11:23
You know, on Monday night
I'm going to pick up netball, tennis

00:41:11:24 - 00:41:15:24
or running or, you know,
I'm just going to do something for me,

00:41:16:02 - 00:41:19:14
some me that is mine,
that gives me pleasure

00:41:19:14 - 00:41:22:18
just thinking about it, you know,
And it's it's a lovely thing.

00:41:22:18 - 00:41:26:09
And then the things that depletes us,
we can approach those with a mindfulness

00:41:27:10 - 00:41:28:13
kind of license, practice

00:41:28:13 - 00:41:32:06
them, you know, just be present
as they've got to be done.

00:41:32:09 - 00:41:33:03
They've got to be done,

00:41:33:03 - 00:41:36:08
you know, as a rather than resist them,
get it done, get it done.

00:41:37:02 - 00:41:40:05
So like you said,
it becomes just a little bit

00:41:40:05 - 00:41:40:24
happier.

00:41:41:07 - 00:41:44:23
We spend a lot of time
looking at acceptance

00:41:44:23 - 00:41:48:02
and kind of letting go
and we do a whole class on fear.

00:41:48:09 - 00:41:51:09
You know, it's become debilitating,
you know?

00:41:51:09 - 00:41:55:08
Have you a fear of going outside
or you've got social anxiety or, you know,

00:41:55:08 - 00:41:59:10
is it just a genuinely, you know, fear of,
you know, maybe you're in the wrong job

00:41:59:10 - 00:42:01:19
and you're frightened of living
or in a relationship

00:42:01:19 - 00:42:04:05
that you're frightened of,
you know, walking away from.

00:42:04:05 - 00:42:07:05
We get you know, in my practice,
we get to really look at that

00:42:07:05 - 00:42:11:21
and maybe give ourselves the option that,
you know, maybe I could face that fear.

00:42:12:13 - 00:42:15:17
And it's it can be life changing
if we just give ourselves the possibility

00:42:15:17 - 00:42:18:21
that that is an option
rather than just dismissing it.

00:42:19:06 - 00:42:20:24
So do you feel that Western society

00:42:20:24 - 00:42:24:00
is more aware of the positives
of mindfulness practice now?

00:42:24:10 - 00:42:25:05
I think. So.

00:42:25:05 - 00:42:26:03
I absolutely think so.

00:42:26:03 - 00:42:28:11
It's been it's massively talked about.

00:42:28:11 - 00:42:33:15
And I also looked at it
looked at as an option, you know, to help,

00:42:33:15 - 00:42:37:02
you know, prevent depressive episodes
and help relieve anxiety and stress.

00:42:37:02 - 00:42:40:20
It's looked upon as,
you know, it's going to work.

00:42:40:20 - 00:42:43:11
If it can work,
there's a possibility that this can work

00:42:43:16 - 00:42:45:07
and I work for a charity on it

00:42:45:07 - 00:42:49:00
on a monday, I work for a charity
and they have a social prescriber there.

00:42:49:06 - 00:42:53:09
And the social prescriber is somebody that

00:42:54:12 - 00:42:57:11
if, say, for example,
somebody was experiencing depression,

00:42:57:24 - 00:43:01:02
they would be signposted to their GP,
get medication.

00:43:01:07 - 00:43:03:14
Then they would come to us
as a charity and

00:43:04:15 - 00:43:07:16
we would say, okay, so you've got your
you know, you're being medicated,

00:43:07:17 - 00:43:11:07
you know, by your GP, which is great,
which is great because you know, often

00:43:11:18 - 00:43:13:02
that's a starting point.

00:43:13:02 - 00:43:16:14
But then social prescriber
actually prescribe something

00:43:16:20 - 00:43:19:16
sensible for them to be doing
and mindfulness is one of them.

00:43:21:00 - 00:43:25:16
So it's, you know what do what you love
doing, you know, due to joy singing,

00:43:25:16 - 00:43:28:16
well we can, you know,
get you to do singing or you could do

00:43:28:16 - 00:43:31:04
maybe dancing or

00:43:31:16 - 00:43:34:00
but it's, it's essential things,
the social thing.

00:43:34:00 - 00:43:37:02
And we have yoga
and mindfulness and meditation.

00:43:37:02 - 00:43:39:11
And so I spend time doing that.

00:43:39:11 - 00:43:43:23
So it's definitely recognized now as
something that would be prescribed, right?

00:43:44:02 - 00:43:47:22
Something that it will help you
if you're experiencing anxiety

00:43:47:22 - 00:43:50:02
and depression without doubt. Yeah.

00:43:50:02 - 00:43:51:12
What kind of people come in your course?

00:43:51:12 - 00:43:54:18
Then you get a whole range, a whole range,

00:43:54:18 - 00:43:57:21
a whole range of age groups,
a whole range of people.

00:43:57:21 - 00:44:00:05
Some people have come through
because they stopped smoking

00:44:00:05 - 00:44:02:08
and stopped drinking
and they just full of alcohol.

00:44:02:08 - 00:44:05:22
They just absolutely love it, you know,
And it's it's really lovely, you know,

00:44:06:03 - 00:44:09:00
to get them on
the coattails of just stopping smoking or

00:44:09:00 - 00:44:11:23
drinking
or people have just stumbled across it.

00:44:12:13 - 00:44:14:24
They've just been looking on the website
and they haven't stopped smoking,

00:44:14:24 - 00:44:16:04
haven't stopped drinking,

00:44:16:04 - 00:44:18:23
but think actually
they'd quite like to just do that.

00:44:18:23 - 00:44:22:02
So in so a bit of mindfulness
then and see what happens from there.

00:44:22:02 - 00:44:25:08
So you know,
and you get all walks of life,

00:44:25:20 - 00:44:28:08
only ages, you know, it's lovely.

00:44:28:10 - 00:44:29:02
It's lovely.

00:44:29:02 - 00:44:33:24
I wouldn't say there's a particular type
or age or gender.

00:44:33:24 - 00:44:35:22
I'm from all over the world
I. Guess as well.

00:44:35:22 - 00:44:36:09
Lovely.

00:44:36:09 - 00:44:40:11
Yeah, that's, that's, that's and I have to
remember that a time zone difference.

00:44:40:15 - 00:44:43:11
And how many people are on each course,
How many people would you have

00:44:43:11 - 00:44:44:05
on each course.

00:44:45:05 - 00:44:45:21
I would say we

00:44:45:21 - 00:44:48:13
average, I would say average about.

00:44:48:21 - 00:44:51:11
Seven and it's proved to be very popular.

00:44:51:12 - 00:44:52:23
Mm hmm.

00:44:52:23 - 00:44:55:05
And the feedback is phenomenal.

00:44:55:11 - 00:44:59:09
The feedback blows me away,
you know, when I get emails

00:44:59:09 - 00:45:03:23
and messages from the clients, you know,
and just how their life has changed.

00:45:04:03 - 00:45:06:19
So do you meditate
then as part of the mindfulness classes?

00:45:06:19 - 00:45:07:10
Yeah, Yeah.

00:45:07:10 - 00:45:11:00
So the eight week course, so the first
half hour of the eight week course,

00:45:11:17 - 00:45:14:21
you know, they will all appear on Zoom
I we just have a quick cut

00:45:14:22 - 00:45:18:15
catch up how we getting on with
the practice and any questions I may have

00:45:18:15 - 00:45:22:23
and then we go into at least a very
at least a ten minute meditation practice.

00:45:23:04 - 00:45:25:20
But we do that before we leave.

00:45:25:24 - 00:45:28:23
We tackle the topic of the of the class.

00:45:29:04 - 00:45:33:00
So the meditation practice has been done
and that my experience is

00:45:33:00 - 00:45:36:05
just help me do it
at the beginning of the class or else,

00:45:36:11 - 00:45:39:20
you know, we, we can get a bit bogged down

00:45:39:20 - 00:45:42:13
with questions and stuff at the end
and we just run out of time.

00:45:42:21 - 00:45:45:11
So the meditation practice is it's always

00:45:45:24 - 00:45:48:12
the first
one of the first things we do together.

00:45:49:01 - 00:45:51:21
And do you have any
do you do any breathing techniques?

00:45:51:23 - 00:45:54:06
Yeah, yeah,
yeah. It's a good question. Yeah.

00:45:54:06 - 00:45:58:00
So from the very first couple of classes,
we look at the breathing technique

00:45:59:00 - 00:46:02:21
and I'll say, you know, it's like you've
got this breathing technique already.

00:46:02:21 - 00:46:05:10
You just make the breath longer
than your own breath. We do that.

00:46:05:10 - 00:46:08:10
It's just like,
wait, you know, breathing out.

00:46:08:10 - 00:46:10:22
It's like, you know, so,
you know, it's like you're doing it.

00:46:11:08 - 00:46:13:16
Just get rid of the cigaret acts.

00:46:13:16 - 00:46:16:06
It's counterproductive with the cigaret.

00:46:16:06 - 00:46:18:08
But yes, the breathing techniques. Yeah.

00:46:18:08 - 00:46:21:24
And then and then teaching them,
you know, really how to just

00:46:22:04 - 00:46:25:13
allow those thoughts
and feelings and emotions to arise.

00:46:25:21 - 00:46:27:24
So not suppressing anything but pulse

00:46:29:05 - 00:46:33:22
arising and, passing, rising, passing
and just reassuring them that,

00:46:33:22 - 00:46:38:12
you know, a busy mind isn't a bad mind,
just observing or just observing.

00:46:38:13 - 00:46:42:18
It's all our job is to themselves,
just let it pass.

00:46:43:05 - 00:46:44:01
So that's interesting.

00:46:44:01 - 00:46:48:08
So you're not trying to get rid of
or you're not trying to have a quiet mind.

00:46:48:21 - 00:46:51:06
That's right.
That's right. It's an absolute myth.

00:46:51:06 - 00:46:53:19
I think one of the biggest myths
and I talk about this right,

00:46:54:08 - 00:46:57:24
right in the beginning, and that's
the class is one of the biggest misses

00:46:57:24 - 00:47:02:03
is people believe that meditation
is is clearing your mind.

00:47:03:06 - 00:47:05:10
It's just
not we don't want to clear our minds.

00:47:05:21 - 00:47:08:24
We don't want to stop our thoughts because
otherwise we won't be able to function.

00:47:09:06 - 00:47:09:17
You know.

00:47:09:17 - 00:47:13:07
So what we what we intend to do
is change our relationship to our thoughts

00:47:13:22 - 00:47:17:01
so reliable and source to come up,
but we're just not

00:47:17:01 - 00:47:18:14
there on is a consideration.

00:47:18:14 - 00:47:20:13
You know, Doctor, just for consideration.

00:47:20:13 - 00:47:23:03
You don't trust them
to allow them to come off

00:47:24:15 - 00:47:27:10
and I hope you'll get a good one.

00:47:27:10 - 00:47:28:04
Go with that one.

00:47:28:04 - 00:47:31:05
You know, I've got mostly,
mostly 90% of your thoughts, so negative.

00:47:31:15 - 00:47:33:00
Why is that you think?

00:47:33:00 - 00:47:36:18
We think we think it's part
of the kind of reptilian brain.

00:47:37:01 - 00:47:39:21
And, you know,
when we were all kind of living in caves

00:47:39:21 - 00:47:44:02
and, you know, and foraging conclusions
that we were out,

00:47:44:09 - 00:47:47:04
you get your suits in the morning
and maybe there was a sabertooth tiger.

00:47:47:10 - 00:47:48:05
Suddenly appeared.

00:47:48:05 - 00:47:51:24
We'd run to safety and and but our mind
would have to keep going over that.

00:47:51:24 - 00:47:55:12
We'd have to ruminate over that
to remind us, one,

00:47:55:18 - 00:47:59:07
perhaps not to go back to that area again,
but to the proper danger out there.

00:47:59:13 - 00:48:01:12
And we have got to be aware of it.

00:48:01:12 - 00:48:03:14
It's a hangover from that.

00:48:03:14 - 00:48:07:10
Now, the danger that we are
experiencing is not life threatening,

00:48:07:10 - 00:48:09:09
but we don't know the difference.

00:48:09:09 - 00:48:11:04
Our bodies don't know the difference.

00:48:11:04 - 00:48:14:16
So mindfulness allows us to see
the difference that, you know, that

00:48:14:16 - 00:48:18:22
feeling that we're having kind
of a reaction to something

00:48:20:12 - 00:48:21:24
is our body reacting.

00:48:21:24 - 00:48:24:12
So so we can learn to respond to that.

00:48:24:12 - 00:48:26:13
We're not experiencing
the danger that we were.

00:48:26:22 - 00:48:28:13
We just know
it's just not life threatening.

00:48:28:13 - 00:48:31:13
We're just getting stressed because I know

00:48:31:13 - 00:48:34:02
we see somebody that we find challenging,
okay.

00:48:34:02 - 00:48:37:03
That that could create it,
that could create that that kind

00:48:37:16 - 00:48:39:16
negative thinking which ruminate over it.

00:48:39:24 - 00:48:43:17
And what would someone need to do
if they were interested

00:48:43:17 - 00:48:48:02
in the mindfulness
side of things and calls easy way.

00:48:48:12 - 00:48:48:24
Oh yeah.

00:48:48:24 - 00:48:52:24
So just go onto the the website
and follow the link to the Allen

00:48:52:24 - 00:48:54:00
cause he's right to mindfulness

00:48:54:00 - 00:48:57:09
and I think it's a little head
with a little red cog in I think.

00:48:58:03 - 00:49:00:18
So you just click on that and then just

00:49:01:15 - 00:49:04:02
there's a blurb I think, about what the

00:49:05:04 - 00:49:05:17
courses

00:49:05:17 - 00:49:08:19
involve and the Taser class,
what that involves.

00:49:08:24 - 00:49:13:07
And if you just scroll to the bottom,
there's a click now to register

00:49:13:14 - 00:49:16:00
and they take the classes are free.

00:49:16:08 - 00:49:17:22
So you just, you just click on that

00:49:17:22 - 00:49:21:06
and then you'd get the link, the Zoom link
sent to you on the Thursday morning

00:49:21:15 - 00:49:26:07
and then hey presto,
I would appear at 7:00 on and off you go.

00:49:26:07 - 00:49:29:09
And then if you wanted to enroll
in the eight week course after this,

00:49:29:10 - 00:49:34:05
the take the class and go back online
and you can just register online.

00:49:34:09 - 00:49:35:02
Yeah.

00:49:35:10 - 00:49:37:14
And how long is the taster calls for?

00:49:38:22 - 00:49:39:17
2 hours.

00:49:39:17 - 00:49:42:00
2 hours H weekly course.

00:49:42:00 - 00:49:43:05
How long does that take?

00:49:43:05 - 00:49:45:12
Is that 2 hours to 2 hours?

00:49:45:12 - 00:49:46:23
Yeah. Yeah.

00:49:46:23 - 00:49:50:00
So 7 to 9 and I'm really strict on
I'll start at seven

00:49:50:08 - 00:49:52:11
and I finish dead on nine

00:49:53:07 - 00:49:56:03
and then I get as much information
as I can out in that time.

00:49:56:03 - 00:49:58:17
And there's a lot,
there's a lot that you can learn.

00:49:59:02 - 00:49:59:24
Graeme

00:50:00:01 - 00:50:03:19
So the content of the, of the eight week
courses, I'm just gonna go over briefly

00:50:05:06 - 00:50:07:20
what the classes, the class content is.

00:50:08:01 - 00:50:12:02
So class one, Class one,
we look at the myths and illusions

00:50:12:23 - 00:50:15:13
around meditation, which is practice.

00:50:15:13 - 00:50:18:21
We also get to look at setting a practice
up, you know,

00:50:18:21 - 00:50:22:21
where to meditate, when to meditate,
how long do you meditate for?

00:50:23:08 - 00:50:26:12
And we look at the difference
between a formal meditation

00:50:26:12 - 00:50:29:10
practice
and an informal mindfulness practice.

00:50:29:18 - 00:50:32:24
So we set up your formal meditation
practice and introduce

00:50:32:24 - 00:50:33:23
a licensed practice.

00:50:33:23 - 00:50:36:06
So you know, getting used to just

00:50:36:06 - 00:50:40:03
being mindful when you brush your teeth
or when you eat or when you're listening.

00:50:40:03 - 00:50:42:05
And so we just start
to get the ball rolling.

00:50:42:05 - 00:50:43:11
That would be class one.

00:50:43:11 - 00:50:46:08
Class two is all about stress.

00:50:46:08 - 00:50:49:03
So that that kind of fight or flight
reaction that I think we've we've

00:50:49:03 - 00:50:50:10
we've touched on just briefly that

00:50:51:20 - 00:50:54:10
we learned how to respond to it
rather than react to it.

00:50:54:10 - 00:50:59:05
And we look at the stressors in our lives
and we also look at coping mechanisms

00:50:59:05 - 00:51:02:15
that we might be using,
such as alcohol, cigarets or harder drugs,

00:51:03:15 - 00:51:04:15
just with the intention.

00:51:04:15 - 00:51:06:15
Just to be curious about that,

00:51:06:15 - 00:51:10:21
you know, just to understand, am I using,
you know, maybe food or or something?

00:51:10:21 - 00:51:12:14
You know, we're not saying
that you have to stop all of that.

00:51:12:14 - 00:51:16:20
We're just going to bring our awareness
to it, you know, And look at that.

00:51:17:10 - 00:51:19:12
Class three is emotional pain.

00:51:20:13 - 00:51:22:18
So we will experience
emotional pain at some point.

00:51:23:07 - 00:51:26:16
But if we are illuminator, which I am,

00:51:27:15 - 00:51:30:07
I think quite a lot of that, it's

00:51:30:07 - 00:51:34:04
when we're going over and
over and over something that

00:51:35:13 - 00:51:36:22
probably happened years ago

00:51:36:22 - 00:51:40:08
that we have no control over now,
but we can get stuck on it.

00:51:40:23 - 00:51:46:03
And so we look a lot at that and look
how that can produce depressive episodes.

00:51:46:14 - 00:51:49:07
So we look at how mindfulness
practice can prevent depression

00:51:49:23 - 00:51:50:20
and depressive episodes.

00:51:50:20 - 00:51:54:05
And there's a lot there's a lot of
research that I give in that class

00:51:54:15 - 00:51:58:13
because something I studied at
uni class for, we look at fear,

00:51:59:10 - 00:52:03:02
how to approach fear
as a kind of fail affair and do it anyway.

00:52:03:07 - 00:52:07:02
And this identifying
as this is a big class class.

00:52:07:02 - 00:52:09:18
So we look at kind of who am I?

00:52:11:06 - 00:52:14:03
And we're not who we think we are

00:52:14:19 - 00:52:17:18
and how we can invest in roles
and make our lives quite miserable.

00:52:17:18 - 00:52:19:10
If we do that, that's quite big class.

00:52:19:10 - 00:52:23:00
I thought Class five is all
about acceptance and not letting go.

00:52:23:06 - 00:52:24:17
And we look at self-compassion.

00:52:24:17 - 00:52:27:12
We look at being kind to ourselves
as one of them.

00:52:27:12 - 00:52:31:22
You know, I see sort of relationships
we can have ease with ourselves.

00:52:31:22 - 00:52:33:23
So we look at offering
kindness to ourselves,

00:52:35:01 - 00:52:38:04
conflicts that this
evening we're looking at physical pain,

00:52:38:08 - 00:52:42:12
how to use emotions, practice
around physical, having an acceptance

00:52:42:12 - 00:52:46:09
of physical pain without trying
to, you know, try to get rid of it.

00:52:46:13 - 00:52:49:21
We come become the patient,
always going to be that physical pain,

00:52:50:06 - 00:52:52:06
but we can change our relationship to it.

00:52:52:11 - 00:52:57:06
And we look at bringing happiness into our
lives by doing things that nourishes.

00:52:57:06 - 00:53:00:21
You know, I think that gives a genuine
pleasure and comfort.

00:53:00:23 - 00:53:04:06
Seven and eight
We look at how to keep the practice going

00:53:04:14 - 00:53:08:12
so that, you know, from start
to get a little bit anxious because,

00:53:08:15 - 00:53:12:01
you know, the safety net,
of course, is being taken away.

00:53:12:22 - 00:53:15:10
So I offer some

00:53:15:16 - 00:53:19:03
advice on how to keep the practice
going by keeping in touch with me.

00:53:19:10 - 00:53:21:12
You know, I give and I offer

00:53:22:11 - 00:53:25:11
people that I know that, you know, that
offer meditation and mindfulness classes

00:53:25:11 - 00:53:28:23
that they can attend and a class eight
and look at what you've learned

00:54:09:09 - 00:54:10:23
Emma, thank you so much for that.

00:54:10:23 - 00:54:16:13
And what do you think you would be doing
now if you hadn't come across?

00:54:16:13 - 00:54:18:08
I have an easy way to do.

00:54:18:08 - 00:54:20:15
Are, you know,
I mean, it sounds so dramatic.

00:54:20:15 - 00:54:22:17
It sounds so dramatic
when I say so. I don't know.

00:54:22:17 - 00:54:25:05
I don't think I'd be
I don't think I'd be here.

00:54:25:24 - 00:54:27:02
Honestly.

00:54:27:02 - 00:54:28:03
I think I would have to.

00:54:28:03 - 00:54:30:16
I would have done something.

00:54:30:16 - 00:54:31:06
Yeah.

00:54:32:10 - 00:54:36:03
Or when I was experiencing
massive depression

00:54:36:13 - 00:54:40:10
quite a few years ago, my parents,
they were dying of.

00:54:40:10 - 00:54:42:18
Thank God I wasn't a drinker then.

00:54:42:18 - 00:54:43:08
Yeah.

00:54:43:08 - 00:54:47:05
So, I mean,
I just wouldn't underestimate what Anna.

00:54:48:13 - 00:54:49:03
Mentioned about the

00:54:49:03 - 00:54:52:03
feedback that you get from clients
who've attended the course.

00:54:52:03 - 00:54:54:09
What kind of things do people say?

00:54:54:16 - 00:54:56:22
Oh, it's just it's just life changing.

00:54:56:22 - 00:54:58:19
It's just they just say it's life
changing.

00:54:58:19 - 00:55:02:22
Their relationships have changed in
in the family.

00:55:03:13 - 00:55:04:15
They, you know,

00:55:04:15 - 00:55:06:03
but they will have done life
changing things

00:55:06:03 - 00:55:07:24
like they will
have walked away from that job.

00:55:07:24 - 00:55:10:08
They will have walked away
from that relationship.

00:55:11:17 - 00:55:12:18
And then

00:55:13:07 - 00:55:14:03
just lovely.

00:55:14:03 - 00:55:15:13
I love it when I get an email

00:55:15:13 - 00:55:18:06
when they send me pictures
of where they've meditated in the morning.

00:55:18:06 - 00:55:19:24
Look,
I've been meditating from this morning

00:55:19:24 - 00:55:23:11
and that, you know, it's kind of like
Italy or Switzerland, you know.

00:55:23:18 - 00:55:25:05
Oh my goodness.

00:55:25:05 - 00:55:27:11
I think you so much, you know,
are still doing it.

00:55:27:11 - 00:55:30:00
I'm still doing it.
And it's that that I love.

00:55:30:10 - 00:55:31:10
That's the feedback.

00:55:31:10 - 00:55:34:08
I love that I'm still out there, was still
doing my meditation practice.

00:55:34:16 - 00:55:36:18
Then I'm up early and I'm loving it.

00:55:36:18 - 00:55:41:05
I'm out in nature and you know, it's it's
that's what I love.

00:55:41:05 - 00:55:42:07
That's, that's the feedback.

00:55:42:07 - 00:55:45:09
It's like when you hear from a smoke
and I smoke at the start and, you know,

00:55:45:09 - 00:55:49:11
in years to come, they're still saying,
hang still, I'm still free of it.

00:55:49:11 - 00:55:53:05
And they still got that kind of element
of excitement around it all.

00:55:53:05 - 00:55:57:09
It's that it's that that's that's the best
feedback I think you can ever get.

00:55:58:00 - 00:55:59:16
Because sometimes you think, oh,
mindfulness.

00:55:59:16 - 00:56:02:24
That's
only for people who do sit on a mountain.

00:56:02:24 - 00:56:04:00
And that's I mean.

00:56:04:00 - 00:56:07:24
It's so many myths that says, you know,
you know, offering only

00:56:08:06 - 00:56:11:22
meditations is one of the things I say
is the meditation practice itself.

00:56:11:23 - 00:56:15:09
It can be at least, you know,
it can be three processing in the morning.

00:56:15:09 - 00:56:18:06
It doesn't have to be 30 minutes,
you know, an hour.

00:56:18:06 - 00:56:19:05
It's just a free breath.

00:56:19:05 - 00:56:19:11
You know,

00:56:19:11 - 00:56:22:23
let's get a starting point, you know,
and then it doesn't have to be done.

00:56:22:23 - 00:56:24:02
Three sets.

00:56:24:02 - 00:56:25:15
It can be done lying down.

00:56:25:15 - 00:56:29:16
I offer all the meditations on the eight
week course lying down if you need to.

00:56:29:16 - 00:56:31:09
Meditation,
last thing you want to be doing

00:56:31:09 - 00:56:33:20
is sitting on a
cushion is so uncomfortable.

00:56:34:01 - 00:56:35:07
So why are you meditating?

00:56:35:07 - 00:56:37:22
For years it's still uncomfortable
sitting on vacation.

00:56:38:08 - 00:56:39:12
Did I do it then?

00:56:39:12 - 00:56:41:19
You know, lay it, lay down, lay down.

00:56:42:00 - 00:56:44:00
And it's for every it's for anyone.

00:56:44:00 - 00:56:44:20
It's not like

00:56:45:24 - 00:56:48:11
you have
to have a background understanding

00:56:48:11 - 00:56:50:23
or be particularly spiritual.

00:56:51:00 - 00:56:52:01
No, not at all.

00:56:52:01 - 00:56:53:18
You don't have to have any background.

00:56:53:18 - 00:56:55:15
Just, you know, this is quite interesting.

00:56:55:15 - 00:56:57:16
Maybe in what what is it all about?

00:56:57:18 - 00:56:59:04
What is it all about?

00:56:59:04 - 00:57:04:00
And then I you know, you know, you know,
I suggest everything is on a suggestion.

00:57:04:13 - 00:57:06:14
I suggest you do the practice every day.

00:57:06:14 - 00:57:09:00
If you want the results,
I suggest you practice every day.

00:57:09:00 - 00:57:11:19
But I'm not going to you not going to
get ticked off if you don't do it.

00:57:11:24 - 00:57:13:22
You know, you don't have a lot of the.

00:57:13:22 - 00:57:16:20
Homework would be the meditation.
Silent would be the meditation.

00:57:16:20 - 00:57:20:01
But I'm using
what we've talked about in the class.

00:57:20:11 - 00:57:23:06
I just said, just to be clear,
it's around, you know, So

00:57:23:06 - 00:57:26:19
when we talk about stress in the fight
or flight reaction, you know, that's okay.

00:57:26:19 - 00:57:31:06
So, you know, it's not simply
that when you're in a queue at Tesco or,

00:57:31:13 - 00:57:33:18
you know, Sainsbury's or what have you,
and the person in front of you

00:57:33:18 - 00:57:36:18
is really taking their time
in the beginning to annoy you.

00:57:37:02 - 00:57:38:22
Okay, So we're just going to turn towards
that.

00:57:38:22 - 00:57:39:23
We're going to turn towards that.

00:57:39:23 - 00:57:41:14
We're going to use a licensed practice
to say

00:57:41:14 - 00:57:45:13
we can respond to that rather than react.

00:57:45:13 - 00:57:51:00
So that sort of, you know, putting,
you know, it's maybe we can just

00:57:51:15 - 00:57:55:05
bring our attention to a breath,
maybe take a couple of moments,

00:57:56:07 - 00:57:58:23
have a look around,
you know, and then look at the person,

00:57:58:23 - 00:58:01:11
your point of view, you know,
because I got something going on.

00:58:01:11 - 00:58:02:17
Why are they taking so long?

00:58:02:17 - 00:58:03:07
And I'm angry.

00:58:03:07 - 00:58:06:10
It's because the person I talking to
might be the questions

00:58:06:14 - 00:58:09:05
and because they see today
maybe be language.

00:58:09:05 - 00:58:11:16
You know, we don't know
what's going on in their lives.

00:58:11:20 - 00:58:14:22
Everybody, often everybody's,

00:58:14:22 - 00:58:16:21
you know,
they're not doing it to annoy you.

00:58:16:21 - 00:58:18:12
What if they all they.

00:58:20:03 - 00:58:23:04
Send you nothing and accept
everybody's flawed,

00:58:23:04 - 00:58:26:13
you know, And if that's something
that they would have to work on, you know,

00:58:26:21 - 00:58:29:10
I'm just having a
you know, an acceptance of that.

00:58:29:13 - 00:58:32:12
You know, some people are just
some people will just do it deliberately.

00:58:32:12 - 00:58:34:05
But, you know, why are they doing that?

00:58:34:05 - 00:58:36:18
That's something that's
that's not quite right in their lives.

00:58:36:22 - 00:58:38:07
That's not natural.

00:58:38:07 - 00:58:42:14
It's not natural to want to,
you know, genuinely annoy people.

00:58:42:23 - 00:58:46:17
But if you are if that is your intention,
then maybe need looking at,

00:58:46:17 - 00:58:50:24
you know, why why what was that moment
in your life that created that feeling

00:58:50:24 - 00:58:53:15
that you have to deliberately annoy
people?

00:58:54:05 - 00:58:59:22
Like is the idea that you just disappear
like any annoyance

00:58:59:22 - 00:59:03:18
or any feeling inside of your body
just ups and that right.

00:59:03:18 - 00:59:06:21
Or is it that you silly experiences

00:59:07:05 - 00:59:09:24
or is it the you watch it do its thing.

00:59:10:02 - 00:59:10:24
I think all of that.

00:59:10:24 - 00:59:11:22
I think all of that.

00:59:11:22 - 00:59:14:18
I think the
the intention is not for it to go away.

00:59:14:18 - 00:59:17:07
So we're not kind of looking at it
to with the intention.

00:59:17:07 - 00:59:19:00
So I don't want us to feel this way.

00:59:19:00 - 00:59:21:13
We're not when that that would be wrong
way away.

00:59:21:16 - 00:59:22:16
We're turning towards it.

00:59:22:16 - 00:59:25:15
And I think living it, you know,
where does your anger sit?

00:59:25:24 - 00:59:28:16
You know, when you are angry
and frustrated, when is it in the body?

00:59:28:17 - 00:59:32:13
It's just curious about where is it,
you know, bring bring your attention

00:59:32:13 - 00:59:35:14
there and actually have a soft feel,
you know, what's it doing?

00:59:35:14 - 00:59:37:15
And then which is not reacting to it.

00:59:38:08 - 00:59:39:15
We're not, you know, just

00:59:39:15 - 00:59:42:19
you know, the anger is in my stomach
and it's swirling around of it.

00:59:43:11 - 00:59:45:23
You know, if I react to it, it'll come up.

00:59:46:07 - 00:59:49:20
And it's also words
I probably will regret.

00:59:49:20 - 00:59:51:13
So, you know, I'm aware of that.

00:59:51:13 - 00:59:53:21
So, yes,
I would allow the energy to come up.

00:59:54:00 - 00:59:57:11
But also, I mean, with anger, we do spend
quite a lot time looking at anger.

00:59:57:11 - 01:00:00:18
And, you know,
so we respond to the feelings of anger

01:00:00:18 - 01:00:04:23
rather than react when if anger is
is still there, then we go

01:00:04:23 - 01:00:08:24
and we show somewhere in the hills,
in the shower,

01:00:09:06 - 01:00:12:21
in your car, but something on scene,
do it really loudly.

01:00:12:21 - 01:00:15:21
You know, release that,
release the energy, release it releasing

01:00:16:11 - 01:00:17:11
so you're not suppressing it.

01:00:17:11 - 01:00:19:23
Otherwise we just become angry people

01:00:19:23 - 01:00:23:09
that we want the anger to come out,
but we're not directing it at anybody.

01:00:24:15 - 01:00:26:15
It takes
practice, takes a lot of practice.

01:00:26:15 - 01:00:30:18
But once you get the idea of it, it's
it is effective.

01:00:51:17 - 01:00:53:22
actually looking at
that is learning from our mistakes.

01:00:54:20 - 01:00:56:21
But they become a lesson.

01:00:56:22 - 01:00:59:09
And maybe it's like a
never ending journey.

01:00:59:13 - 01:01:03:10
Yeah, it's, it's, it's also a meditation
mindfulness practice.

01:01:03:10 - 01:01:04:10
You wouldn't just do an eight week

01:01:04:10 - 01:01:06:22
course and say,
Oh, I've done that, I've done myself.

01:01:07:10 - 01:01:08:07
I know about that.

01:01:08:07 - 01:01:11:14
Now, this is something that you would have
for the rest of your life.

01:01:11:14 - 01:01:12:24
I would say with any other thing.

01:01:12:24 - 01:01:16:15
The anchor offices,
the office is something that we will do

01:01:16:15 - 01:01:18:09
and we will never have to
look at it again.

01:01:18:09 - 01:01:19:24
You know, you stop smoking is an easy way.

01:01:19:24 - 01:01:20:24
You don't have to

01:01:20:24 - 01:01:24:00
go back and read the book or, you know,
you don't have to go over it.

01:01:24:00 - 01:01:24:11
You're done.

01:01:24:11 - 01:01:26:22
You know, you stopped drinking,
you've done that, you know, So

01:01:26:22 - 01:01:31:07
whatever it is you've done with
mindfulness, it's not that mindfulness

01:01:31:07 - 01:01:35:03
is something that you put in place
and you have to keep it with you.

01:01:35:09 - 01:01:37:24
It is a new approach. It's a new approach.

01:01:38:14 - 01:01:40:21
We are creating,
you know, neural pathways,

01:01:41:01 - 01:01:43:22
different, you know, pathways
as a result of the mindfulness practice.

01:01:43:22 - 01:01:47:16
But we just need to be
they need to be kind of formed

01:01:48:00 - 01:01:51:13
and the only way to form is
to keep practicing, keep practicing that.

01:01:51:14 - 01:01:54:18
That's what keeps
you just touching with that every day.

01:01:54:24 - 01:01:58:17
And then that just reminds me
not to get pulled in that direction

01:01:58:17 - 01:01:59:15
or that direction.

01:01:59:15 - 01:02:02:01
Or like once
you've been introduced to this

01:02:02:18 - 01:02:06:00
approach, a new way of,
thinking or awareness

01:02:06:00 - 01:02:10:06
or understanding of who you truly are,
there is sort of no going back.

01:02:10:06 - 01:02:12:24
Like there's no you can't
then forget, can you?

01:02:13:05 - 01:02:15:09
No, no, no, that's right.
No, no, no, no, no.

01:02:15:12 - 01:02:19:11
If you've been to Paris,
you can never not have been to Paris once.

01:02:19:11 - 01:02:21:23
You kind of got it and you're doing it.

01:02:21:24 - 01:02:24:18
You can't not know that you can't,
you know.

01:02:25:01 - 01:02:25:19
You got it.

01:02:25:19 - 01:02:28:00
You've got it. Yeah. Yeah.

01:02:28:14 - 01:02:31:04
Thank you so much for your time
and for sharing it.

01:02:31:04 - 01:02:34:24
And let us know if anyone is interested
in doing the taster session

01:02:34:24 - 01:02:36:24
or to the online video program.

01:02:36:24 - 01:02:39:10
You just read the book, Just go online.

01:02:39:10 - 01:02:41:21
All the information is
there. allencarr.com

01:02:42:24 - 01:02:46:06
and how often are the taster sessions run?

01:02:47:04 - 01:02:48:13
About twice a month now.

01:02:52:17 - 01:02:53:21
Well, thank you, Emma.

01:02:53:21 - 01:02:56:04
That was really interesting and well done.

01:02:56:04 - 01:03:00:08
To all the hard work for you and to the
mindfulness program and its development.

01:03:00:20 - 01:03:04:02
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